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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon May 17, 2010 9:09 pm

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He was reading another fan site and said he was getting turned on by some of the erotic comments they were making about what they wanted to do with GB.

I had to ask him to show me the site because we each have our own laptops here and I didn't see it last night. I really don't want to say which one it was but what struck him first was one of the members 'signature' was rather racy. Let's just say it involved an animal reference.

Geranimal, I lust all the time--it's my biggest vice---so I don't think lusting should be just for men. And my roommate says he can be easily turned on! Locking my bedroom door tonight.

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We shouldn't sell him short because we're getting some bad press from the media
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I have never strayed into the entertainment media before GB so I am still learning the games they play. It's not like the real media where you had better have your facts straight. When I finally go for my Master's degree I have already decided that my thesis will have something to do with the difference between entertainment media and real journalism.

But some of the 'bad press' he is getting is not from what he says but by the kissing pictures. You can always deny you said something (that's why I tape all my interviews) but you can't deny a picture.

As we have said before, we can only guess and have speculate about all things GB. He is a fascinating character study and not just a pretty face. I wonder what we will be saying about him in 10 years?
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon May 17, 2010 9:11 pm

Again, bad grammar. Sorry, I am not proofreading.
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Personally, I think the best roles that Gman has taken, are those we don't expect.
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon May 17, 2010 10:13 pm

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Geranimal, I lust all the time--it's my biggest vice---so I don't think lusting should be just for men. And my roommate says he can be easily turned on! Locking my bedroom door tonight.

Maybe he should be locking his! Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue May 18, 2010 10:22 am

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Maybe he should be locking his!

LOL! He is more interesting one on one than he is when he is in my group of buddies. We have stayed up late talking the past three nights and he is so funny. Oh, he plays guitar beautifully--something I didn't know. MMMMMM.....

Back to career chat....

This has been a great, intelligent discussion, btw. I thought about this in terms of our own careers. How much do our bosses care about our personal life? I think it only matters if we bring our baggage to work. It seems as if GB is very professional on the set or at least we haven't heard any stories yet.

But...

Actors know that if they reach a certain level of fame all this celebrity crap comes with it. I would think that handling the "image" would be part of the job, i.e. career. That is why his "antics" are a part of this career assessment.
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue May 18, 2010 4:46 pm

I have to disagree with much of what you've said, Ger. But I think we're coming from two different experiences and stances. That's okay though, isn't it? One of the good things about Pantry.

Kayanne, you've summarised my point quite succinctly - his image and behaviour = his career. Therefore, it needs to be crafted/minded/enhanced better.

Really great discussion, everyone. Thanks for all of your input. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue May 18, 2010 6:11 pm

it is lovely that we can disagree here in a friendly manner. of course....i never mention when i disagree........... Rolling Eyes
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I like that I am challenged to see something in a different way.

And I like the fact that every discussion is not focused on Gerard Butler's peen or his looks. If that were the case, I would have been gone a long time ago!
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed May 19, 2010 4:10 am

sami_stardust wrote:
it is lovely that we can disagree here in a friendly manner. of course....i never mention when i disagree........... Rolling Eyes
Why don't you give your opinion, Sami? We can handle the truth!

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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed May 19, 2010 11:20 am

my truth isn't the same as everyone's truth, i'm afraid. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed May 19, 2010 2:21 pm

Wow, that was weird. I just wrote a post and when I hit "send" it kicked me to a page that said the site was too busy to post my reply?

Anyway, I'll try again. Nay, you say you don't agree with MOST of what I'm saying then tell me which part so that I may defend myself.

I don't profess to "know" anyone other than just being rather adept at knowing the human animal. I hope you're not eluding that I am one of the delusional fangurls!

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That happend to me the other day too GER I got kicked out...but then it worked again.
Your not at all delusional fungurls I think everyone should say what what they think. I think we are all big girls and we know the reality. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed May 19, 2010 3:37 pm

Thanks, Andrea. Oh, I am a "fungurl" for sure! You're sweet!

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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeThu May 20, 2010 3:45 am

Sami, give it to me! I can take it. Laughing

Ger, I'm not willing to start an argument with you but I remain firm in my opinion. So without any anger, I'll take you up on your offer.

The movie - Phantom Of The Opera - has a special place in my people's cultural history. From everything I've ever read online about this topic, some cross-over fans (ie. GB fans & POTO fans) view him as the living incarnate of the Phantom. I do not and can never see him as that because a) I am not a fangurl, b) his portrayal didn't ring true and c) I am not that closely connected to the storyline. They seem to view it as his iconic role whereas for me, who came along later than 2004, Leonidas made me sit up and pay attention. The major difference for me personally is that I don't think GB is the living, breathing, loin-cloth wearing ancestor of the Spartan King.

As to clues to GB's true persona, I really thought I saw that in many interviews but after a while it simply became recycled material for a entertaining comic - an act within itself. He is funny at times, he is humble and disparaging at times, he is tired/angry/depressed/merry/generous etc etc etc at times just like everyone else. Crossing a busy street is not always a disclaimer of jerkdom. In the early days of his career, he needed to connect to fans and gain their loyalty. Lately, I have read differing debates as to his motives for this connection (self-absorption) and whether he is even slowly withdrawing from the situation.

The other thing that irks me is the assumption some fans have of his intelligence just because he has a law degree. Honestly, GB has pushed that on people repeatedly in interviews. Book smarts does not equal life smarts or as my grandfather would say 'nous'. I have five degrees and diplomas from various universities and that makes me specialised in my field. It does not mean I can do my tax return or read a contract or predict the weather or remember to put the garbage out.

As to his partyhard behaviour vs his artistically creative side, I'm sorry but I don't see too many other repeat nightclub stumbling, sidewalk kissing, butt-fingering offenders who also want to be seen as serious actors. They may have hidden indiscretions, picadilloes, crimes and secrets, granted. They may do a damn fine job of hiding those aspects. But even Sean Penn in all of his gross chauvanism is able to bring an inspiring performance to my attention; even Sean Penn can disappear in "I Am Sam" and make me momentarily forget that he is a dickhead extraordinaire.

Have I made any sense?

My intention is not to change your mind, merely to explain my own.
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeThu May 20, 2010 10:28 am

you made sense to me, nay!! well said.
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I agree--very well said!
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PostSubject: Re: Career Judgement for Gerard Butler   Career Judgement for Gerard Butler - Page 2 Icon_minitimeThu May 20, 2010 12:42 pm

Thanks for the explanation Nay. I will admit I understood most of what you say but have trouble with some of it such as the cultural significance of POTO and your "people". Sorry about that. POTO didn't ring my bell on stage until I saw the movie version and Gerry brought the character to life. But that's just my opinion. And as far as my believing he's the incarnate of the character, no I wouldn't go that far but I do believe it had special meaning to him. His loft is full of nuances that justify that with the chandeliers, gold fringed drapes and full length mirror in his office.

My other question to you would be; are you still a fan of Gerard Butler then. Seems you are disenchanted with him now due to the media's portrayal of him coupled with the paps managing to catch him kissing and fondling women. And your right, book smarts doesn't always indicate street smarts. My BIL has three masters and a bachelors and for the last ten years can't hold a job and has a lot of trouble even finding one. As my Mother used to say, "not smart enough to pour piss out of a boot". I never said Gerry was smart because it was a default of his extensive education. I admire his education, or anyone's for that matter, for their fortitude and persaverance in an achievement like that and what appears to be with honors. I have very little college and I do the best I can keeping up with those of a higher education and I flub my words a lot. In fact, I worked nine years with a prominent cardiovascular surgeon in this city as his research assistent and I guess he deemed me intelligent enough to do that without significant training or the education. I think the biggest challenge was keeping up with his personality and his drive more than anything else.

My only concern when you said you didn't agree with MOST of what I said was that you were placing me in the realm of some of the fans that see Gerry as doing no wrong and feel like he's the second coming or something. Not at all. That's why I was drawn to this site, however, I do prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt and until he does something that completely shows me that he's a fraud, I'll continue to do so and be a fan with a guarded out look.

I still believe in him even though I want to slap him upside the head now and then. I see something deeper there. I think he struggles with who he is on the outside versus who he is on the inside. He seems like a man in conflict with himself and sometimes I think he deems it best to remove himself from it all and just be that guy who never wants to grow up. Or perhaps he's afraid it will all end tomorrow, you know living like today is your last kind of philosphy, and be damned what people think. Anyone might have abandonment issues if their father never attempted to make contact with them in the first twelve years of their life. That cut him deeply and left a huge scar and I've heard that thats not the only big heartbreak he's had. Sure, we've all had them and we all react in our own ways. We're fortunate that the world is not watching us if we act out.

Besides, any man who respects and loves his mother the way he does, can't be all that bad.

Thanks Nay, for your response.

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You can be a fan of his work and not a fan of the man.
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are you sure julie???? that doesn't seem to be the general consenus of the gerry fan base!! i've been a fan longer than most (WAY before POTO came out!), but according to most of the fangurls....i'm not a fan at all because i don't believe in his divinity. Perving
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Great point, Julie.


Great response too, Ger. I love a great discussion that is as intelligent and well thought out as this one. Now here's my two cents.

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POTO didn't ring my bell on stage until I saw the movie version and Gerry brought the character to life. But that's just my opinion.

Ger, you need to see POTO in a great setting with a great cast. I have seen it twice on stage--once in Chicago and once in Atlanta. It blew me away. I am a new fan and I haven't seen Gerard's Phantom. But I think we can all relate to that character in some way. The fact that he does means nothing to me. And wasn't that movie out like five years ago? When will we see something like that from him again?

As far as giving him the benefit of a doubt, because of my profession I call "foul" on a lot of things he does. My theories are more harsh probably.
1. He is a skanky manwhore with no respect for women whatsoever and no real soul.
2. He is in the closet and trying to convince the world (and maybe himself) he is straight.
3. He is a troubled soul. I mentioned in one of my first threads here that I am very familiar with that type. They have this funny, wonderful, outgoing persona that doesn't match the hell they are going through on the inside. I have been in a relationship (friendship/dating) with one of these types for six years. He was a player at one time. But he is possessive when he does meet someone he really likes. On the flip side, he has a big heart and is always there for me. He just can't get his shit together. Being with a man like that is exciting at times. But it can be frustrating. And you have to be 100 percent invested in that person to be able to handle it. If this is the real Gerard Butler, his antics make perfect sense IMO. I have lived through that with someone. And if he ever falls in love, he will be possessive and totally different than he is now.

We can only speculate because we don't know him. And I doubt we will ever know the real GB. He has been in some movies that have really touched me so I am always going to be a fan. But just like with my friends, I am going to call "foul" when I think it is.
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i just had a LOT to say and had typed it out and my 'puter burped and i lost it! think that might have been a "sign" that once again i should just keep my mouth shut!! alien
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I am giving you a sign to post! I want to hear what you have to say!
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As far as giving him the benefit of a doubt, because of my profession I call "foul" on a lot of things he does. My theories are more harsh probably.
1. He is a skanky manwhore with no respect for women whatsoever and no real soul.
2. He is in the closet and trying to convince the world (and maybe himself) he is straight.



K, are you kidding me with this? You are certainly entitled to your opinion of him but geez, why are you a fan if you feel this way about him? I'm just curious.

I thought seeing POTO at the Majestic Theater in NYC was about as great a setting as one could get! Am I wrong? I also have a film cell from the movie which is one of my most prized possessions which is signed by Gerry. I've never had an autograph from a celebrity before so if that makes me some kind of "phangurl", so be it!

Despite all of Gerry's antics and bad boy behavior, he did touch something in me and still does although my fanship has moved to perhaps a more realistic level as I am sure many other fans have gone that route. Can't explain or even define what it is properly, but I'm not a gusher by any means either.

I always felt in my heart that if I ever stopped being a fan or believing in Gerard Butler, I would just go away, drop him, but I wouldn't bad mouth him for not living up to my expectations of him. Is that mature?

I'm a bit taken aback by the things you said about him, especially on a fan site devoted to him. Not to mention that what you say could be viewed by his family, his little neices, his mum or his friends, or even Gerry himself!

I think we all reserve the right to critisize when we think he's out of line or when he's not performing to his abilities but when you feel that strongly about someone, why belong to his fan site?

Your criticisms of him being a manwhore and a man who disrepects women but yet a closet gay don't jive either. I've seen him oggling plenty of women and most men do if they can see, even your circle of guys, trust me on this, but Gerry in the closet? No way. You're reading too many comments from JJ posted by idiots. Don't go there. It's crap. JMO.

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You know, the more I think about all of this, the more I see the similarities in Gerry and Mike Chadway. Mike was telling the truth, even though it was delivered a crude and obnoxious way. He made no bones about what men think and the good doctor proved him right. Just because a man looks all put together on the outside, polite and well spoken, doesn't mean he can't be a "horndog" on the inside. The thing is, truth be told, Mike had more of a heart on the inside then he was given credit and he masked it by his crudeness.

Now don't go saying I'm comparing Mike Chadway to Gerry now but don't you think it makes a perfect metaphor for real life in a way?

Gerry does, hopefully, read his scripts when they are presented to him. He likes putting out a moral message in his films most of the time.

I can't call him a souless manwhore, even with what we "see". Like has been said, we don't know him personally so we're going on what's captured in a moment by a paparazzi. I've known guys that could be called souless manwhores and trust me, they come in all shapes and sizes and can look quite proper on the outside and they make Gerry's antics look like Goofy at Disney World.

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